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« on: February 08, 2005, 04:19:16 PM »

I am currently on a VO Bulk account and I am interested in upgrading to your VPS account. Before I make the commitment, I wanted to ask a few questions.

1. How difficult will it be to move my Geo SSL registered through another company? Any insight you can provide on this would be greatly appreciated as I run modernbill and this is really important to my continued operation.

2. Do you maintain Cpanel upgrades, security fixes and hot patches or am I expected to do this?

3. I noticed you now offer Fantastico Licenses. I can't tell you how happy that makes me. It has been my biggest reason for searching for another Cpanel provider, but I would much rather stay here. Now, I can. Will I be responsible for the install and maintanence of this software? How steep is the learning curve for someone with ok Command Line experience? (I can work most problems for things like PostNuke, OSCommerce and can install most Linux game servers (different server of course) with little to no help.

4. Can I offer reseller accounts as a VPS?

5. As a Bulk reseller, I relied on you to maintain the server and all resources. With the VPS, what will change as far as my System Admin responsibility?

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2005, 08:18:04 PM »

Hi ottn,

Let's see how well I can answer your questions...my eyes are popping out of my head...it's been a crazy crazy day. :blink:

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1. How difficult will it be to move my Geo SSL registered through another company? Any insight you can provide on this would be greatly appreciated as I run modernbill and this is really important to my continued operation.

Assuming you have several accounts, I assume you'll want your accounts moved for you?  We're currently working with Data393 to develop a move process and policy. I should know more tomorrow, but when the site(s) are moved using the cPanel move script, I am pretty sure your SSL certificate is moved with your site. I have never heard of a problem moving the cert, so we should be able to move it manually.

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2. Do you maintain Cpanel upgrades, security fixes and hot patches or am I expected to do this?

Yes, one of the pleasures and responsibilities of a Server Owner, is keeping cPanel up to date.  cPanel makes this pretty easy.  You can set it for auto update (which I personally don't recommend) or do it manually through your WHM.  There are three release types: edge, release and stable.   We recommend using release because the security updates don't make it to stable in a timely enough fashion, in our opinion.
 
Doing them manually allows you to notify customers of a maintenance window. Due to cPanels development methodology of making frequent updates with little testing, it's not uncommon to have a quirk or two when updates are run.  Only the brave should use edge...that's cutting edge...

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3. I noticed you now offer Fantastico Licenses. I can't tell you how happy that makes me. It has been my biggest reason for searching for another Cpanel provider, but I would much rather stay here. Now, I can. Will I be responsible for the install and maintanence of this software? How steep is the learning curve for someone with ok Command Line experience? (I can work most problems for things like PostNuke, OSCommerce and can install most Linux game servers (different server of course) with little to no help.

We installed our first Fantastico license a little less than two weeks ago. John didn't have too much trouble with it.  It works kinda like this: You have to have a 'site' on the server to install Fantastico to. Through that site, you will have a management interface...easy easy easy.  But, because there is so much user information needed to install it, we cannot pre-install it during the setup...installation is manual.  Although our technicians can install it for a support fee upon request if you provide them with the necessary information needed.  Here is a link to the Fantastico Installation Guide that may be helpful.  http://www.netenberg.com/support.php.  Maybe others have installed it and can share their experience and opinion.

Once Fantastico is installed,  you can manage the settings through the cPanel of the account you hosted it on.  It's an easy interface and allows quite a bit of flexibility.   The only request we have is that you ban phpNuke.  PostNuke is okay. phpNuke has some security issues that we do not like, so ask that you don't offer it.  

Fantastico has an auto update feature.  They keep all of the scripts updated. You can select stable or current updates. We use 'stable'. You can also manually update if for some reason you need to.

Installing the scripts is easy as pie, once it's set up on the server.

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4. Can I offer reseller accounts as a VPS?
Yes!  A VPS is the same as a dedicated server from the cPanel viewpoint. In other words you have full root access and WHM access. So you can definately offer a reseller program on a VPS.  

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5. As a Bulk reseller, I relied on you to maintain the server and all resources. With the VPS, what will change as far as my System Admin responsibility?

With a VPS, we manage the OS and do kernel updates, etc.  You manage the Software on the server.  cPanel makes this easy with their update feature, either auto or manual update.  

As far as resources, on bandwidth, like your BR account, you pay for usage over allocated bandwidth.  Disk Space is a different matter, although you can upgrade the VPS if you need more disk space. VPS upgrades are pretty easy, but do require a short down time (usually less than 5 minutes depending on the amount of data.  It's easy easy to move a VPS (drag and drop). You do lose a bit of disk space for cPanel.  Last I heard it was around 800 to 1000 MB for cPanel, so take that into consideration when ordering. Bottom line is that there is some management needed with bandwidth and disk space, but nothing more than a BR really.  

As far as performance, that's probably a bit more complex, because we don't watch for performance issues unless they begin impacting the server. So if your performance drops, you'll need to determine the cause...e.g. runaway script, user abuse, or a too busy site that should have their own VPS by themselves, for example.  You can open a ticket and get technical help with those issues, although if it becomes too complex, there may be fee based charges to track down a specific problem.  We provide monitoring service where you are paged or emailed if/when a service goes down.  

So managing your services is another responsibility. We will be working on a service monitoring product where we'll monitor and react to service outages. Currently Data393 offers theirs for $50...which if you compare to many hosts is a pretty good price.

Let me know if you have further questions....feedback from other VPS owners is welcome.

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2005, 11:19:15 PM »

Pat,

 Thank you for the help. I have a small company and moving the sites is a pain. I can't imagine what you guys are going through. Hang in there. I'm sure things will get better. I had just a few other things.

 The SSL issue. It is tied to a static IP. If we pull it over, will that static come with me? I imagine you guys have your own blocks of IP's and would like to move everyone to them if possible. Anyway, if anyone knows how moving a SSL to a new IP is handled through GeoTrust, feel free to post.

 DNS on my name servers. What will happen with them when I move? Are the 2 IP's provided for DNS or can they be used for something else? Do I need to update them with my registrar? If yes, will these changes flow down to my customers to handle their own DNS or will they have to manually change them? Last, will my DNS continue to be hidden to my end users?

 Last question. You mentioned cPanel move script. I have read about that. I take it I will have full access to this with a VPS. Great. But, I don't have root on my current bulk account. Would you guys be willing to change the TTL to 15 (even 30) minutes on about 15 domains before I move? I use to work for an ISP and we found if you timed it right, it would speed up the move tremendously. I did this before on VO during my last move, but DNS options were removed from Bulk Resellers a while back.

 I agree with you on PHPNuke completely. I run PostNuke because of this. Unfortunately, my target market is going to PHPNuke for various reasons. I understand why, but I hate how insecure it is. I am working on a side project to modify the PostNuke install to include a bunch of ported modules and themes, but it is going to take some time. Once I get it ready, can I use Fantastico with my custom PostNuke tarball? I think I can convert some people to PostNuke and offer my customers a much wanted product by doing this.

Thanks for all the help.

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2005, 11:55:38 AM »

Hi ottn,

Yes, it's a bit busy right now, but it's also exciting because we're directly in touch with many of our customers and that's a good thing. I've answered your questions below to the best of my knowledge.  Feedback from others is welcome:

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The SSL issue. It is tied to a static IP. If we pull it over, will that static come with me? I imagine you guys have your own blocks of IP's and would like to move everyone to them if possible. Anyway, if anyone knows how moving a SSL to a new IP is handled through GeoTrust, feel free to post.

SSL certificates are issued to a specific URL, not a specific IP address.  Although a dedicated IP is required for an SSL, it can be moved to a different IP address.
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DNS on my name servers. What will happen with them when I move? Are the 2 IP's provided for DNS or can they be used for something else? Do I need to update them with my registrar? If yes, will these changes flow down to my customers to handle their own DNS or will they have to manually change them? Last, will my DNS continue to be hidden to my end users?
The IP's for your nameservers will need to change, but you only need to change the nameserver IP's with your registrar.  If your customers are using your nameservers, they won't have to make any changes.  They will only need to update their nameservers IF they use our nameservers.  The IPs used for the nameservers can generally be used also for hosting sites, since the nameservers are on a different port than site hosting. The DNS will continue to be hidden, but of course, anyone can dig deep enough to trace the IP.  IP's are still owned by Data393 (although they may still be in VOSN.net ownership with ARIN).  The IP's in our VLan, those will be swiped by Data393 and show us as owners. This does not include the IP's on the shared hosting accounts because the way they were originally assigned to the servers was too broken up for swiping, consequently IP cleanup will eventually need to be done.
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Last question. You mentioned cPanel move script. I have read about that. I take it I will have full access to this with a VPS. Great. But, I don't have root on my current bulk account. Would you guys be willing to change the TTL to 15 (even 30) minutes on about 15 domains before I move? I use to work for an ISP and we found if you timed it right, it would speed up the move tremendously. I did this before on VO during my last move, but DNS options were removed from Bulk Resellers a while back.

Yes, the cPanel script is only available at the hosting provider WHM level. You will have a full version of WHM in your VPS, and consequently will have the ability to use the cPanel move scripts.  Yes, I'm sure we can change the TTL for short period.
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I am working on a side project to modify the PostNuke install to include a bunch of ported modules and themes, but it is going to take some time. Once I get it ready, can I use Fantastico with my custom PostNuke tarball? I think I can convert some people to PostNuke and offer my customers a much wanted product by doing this.
It's your server now, so the only rules you need to abide by are any specific to Network, such as spam, software licensing (legal issues), etc.  So, yes you can do that...however, I can't tell you how it will integrate with Fantastico. You might want to check with them to determine if that will impact the auto updates or visa versa.  

You're welcome...let us know if you have further questions.

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2005, 05:42:04 PM »

I know I made you work for this, but thank you. I need a good home to continue growing and it's nice to have found it.

I'm upgrading MB to fix an issue the last upgrade caused. As soon as I have that done and my invoicing working again (ack!), I will switch to the VPS.

 If there are any other suggestions, please let me know.

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2005, 06:02:28 PM »

Hi ottn,

No Problem on the answers and Good Luck!  We all need a bit of that in life.

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